1 00:00:02,380 --> 00:00:07,340 I'm sure most of you are aware of the recent television special that claimed 2 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:11,720 give an honest, candid, and revealing look into the private life of one of the 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,100 world's most successful and controversial celebrities, Michael 4 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:17,340 revelations were explosive. 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,020 The ratings were enormous. 6 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:24,760 But Michael has claimed that what TV journalist Martin Bashir presented was a 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,180 twisted and edited construction of scandal and innuendo, not a true 8 00:00:29,180 --> 00:00:32,640 representation of the interviews that actually took place. 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,680 In the next two hours, we're going to give you an opportunity unprecedented in 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,680 the history of television. 11 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:43,680 We're going to show you footage that was never intended to be broadcast. 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Tonight, the private video from Michael's own cameras. 13 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:57,280 Cameras that shot the Michael Jackson interview. 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,700 The footage you were never meant to see. 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,739 As much as I do not speak about my family, I will. 16 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:06,999 Right now. 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,420 For the first time, Michael's ex -wife speaks out in public. 18 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:14,440 My kids don't call me mom because I don't want them to. 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,720 You'll find out what really happened during the astonishing incidents with 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,720 children in Germany. 21 00:01:20,350 --> 00:01:25,050 And I've seen people flip their kids up in the air and do somersaults and catch 22 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:29,270 them. To be honest with you, I think wait another four or five years, the 23 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:32,510 will come in front of a camera and they will defend their dad. 24 00:01:32,830 --> 00:01:34,690 You'll hear about Michael's childhood. 25 00:01:35,230 --> 00:01:41,890 One of the things I can see this man tried to do, he tried to pin something 26 00:01:41,890 --> 00:01:43,410 me where I was real brutal. 27 00:01:43,850 --> 00:01:46,830 You'll find out how Michael really feels about his father. 28 00:01:47,470 --> 00:01:49,150 He doesn't know this, but... 29 00:01:54,690 --> 00:01:58,450 You'll hear about Michael's surgery that the other special didn't mention. 30 00:02:02,650 --> 00:02:06,070 You'll hear the truth behind Michael's children and their disguises. 31 00:02:09,610 --> 00:02:14,250 You'll go behind the rumors of the Neverland Ranch. 32 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,120 And find out how those rumors have driven a family from their home. 33 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:24,060 Gavin called me. He was crying on the phone. 34 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:28,680 He went in gas station. The kids in gas station, they start kidding. Oh, you are 35 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,000 the kids doing this with Michael. You slept with Michael. They ruined this 36 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,020 life. You'll hear from the people closest to Michael. 37 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,160 I've heard someone say on the television that no one should be allowed behind 38 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,960 those gates at Neverland, especially the children. They don't even know what 39 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,960 they're talking about. 40 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,390 Plus. A surprise revelation from the man behind the Michael Jackson interviews. 41 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:52,370 There'll be a lot of controversy about this. 42 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:55,170 It's a tabloid. Well, you'll be young. 43 00:02:55,410 --> 00:03:01,610 I know. All tonight on the Michael Jackson interview, the footage you were 44 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:02,610 meant to see. 45 00:03:03,090 --> 00:03:04,570 Hosted by Maury Povich. 46 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:12,030 With Mr. Bashir's full knowledge, Michael had his own behind -the -scenes 47 00:03:12,030 --> 00:03:13,570 documenting the major interviews. 48 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,240 The quality of the audio and video may be a bit raw at times, but it will 49 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,920 you to see and hear the interviews as they actually happen and will allow you, 50 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,260 the viewing audience, to draw your own conclusions. 51 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:33,020 And while Michael Jackson has provided this footage to us, he has absolutely no 52 00:03:33,020 --> 00:03:36,740 control over the editorial content of this program. 53 00:03:37,630 --> 00:03:42,150 But who is Martin Batyr? And how did he get an exclusive interview with one of 54 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:45,590 the most reclusive pop stars the world has ever known? 55 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:50,990 In 1995, this little -known British journalist caused an uproar when his 56 00:03:50,990 --> 00:03:54,950 sensational interview with Princess Diana revealed the tales of her 57 00:03:54,950 --> 00:03:55,950 affair. 58 00:03:56,510 --> 00:04:00,170 Since then, he has scored interviews with some of England's most notorious 59 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:03,170 newsmakers, becoming somewhat of a celebrity himself. 60 00:04:05,169 --> 00:04:09,970 His interview with Jackson was, as he put it, a request to show me the real 61 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:11,049 But show me everything. 62 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:12,190 Make nothing off limits. 63 00:04:12,450 --> 00:04:13,429 Michael agreed. 64 00:04:13,430 --> 00:04:16,430 And the first interview was scheduled for the summer of 2002. 65 00:04:16,829 --> 00:04:20,870 In these photos of one of Bashir's interviews with Jackson, you can see the 66 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:23,430 camera that captured the footage you were never meant to see. 67 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:26,230 It's mounted right there on the light stand. 68 00:04:27,690 --> 00:04:30,390 This is the view it was capturing at the last interview. 69 00:04:31,250 --> 00:04:32,510 And this is the shot. 70 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:39,090 From the very first interview at Neverland, the man adjusting the lens is 71 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:46,030 Jackson's own documentary cameraman. 72 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:52,830 Well, I just wanted to clarify that it was not a secret video. 73 00:04:53,170 --> 00:04:56,750 Because right now they're saying that we were secretly videotaping him. But 74 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:58,010 that's not the truth. 75 00:04:58,270 --> 00:05:01,410 But she saw me, you know, hooking up the camera. 76 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,500 And, you know, everybody saw the camera out there and we were just rolling it. 77 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:11,660 We usually do documentary on every, you know, thing that Mr. Jackson does. 78 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,940 Do you think that your success has actually made people turn against you? 79 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:20,740 The bigger the star, the bigger the target. 80 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:26,720 And the more popular I became, the more rumors that were created, which none of 81 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,720 which were true. 82 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:31,920 I mean, the moment I started breaking the all -time records of the biggest 83 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:37,500 selling albums of all time, they called me weird overnight, strange, wacko. 84 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:41,540 You know, they said I'm a girl, homosexual. 85 00:05:44,180 --> 00:05:48,360 He wants to buy the Elephant Man bones. He sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber. None 86 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,360 of that stuff is true. 87 00:05:50,030 --> 00:05:52,630 All completely made up. I've seen where you sleep. All alive. 88 00:05:52,850 --> 00:05:55,870 I've seen where you sleep. I sleep in a bed. 89 00:05:56,190 --> 00:06:00,810 People would be so surprised how normal and simple we live. 90 00:06:02,030 --> 00:06:06,290 Most people would have a very hard time thinking Michael Jackson's life was 91 00:06:06,290 --> 00:06:07,810 normal or simple. 92 00:06:08,270 --> 00:06:13,230 Maybe it's that ranch north of Santa Barbara, California, the 3 ,000 acres he 93 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:14,630 calls Neverland. 94 00:06:15,979 --> 00:06:22,960 Neverland is an extraordinary, a breathtaking, a stupendous, an 95 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,660 an amazing place. I can't gather together words to describe Neverland. 96 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,160 What inspired you to make a home like this? 97 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:38,380 What inspired me? It was so easy because it was me being myself, creating things 98 00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:39,380 that I love. 99 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:44,860 And what I love, kids happen to love, or the child that lives inside the adult. 100 00:06:45,460 --> 00:06:51,340 happens to love, you know? It is so easy because I'm just putting behind the 101 00:06:51,340 --> 00:06:53,740 gate everything I never got to do when I was a kid. 102 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Do 103 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:06,420 you 104 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:09,260 have regrets about the way your life has been? 105 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Somewhat. 106 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,300 And what do you regret? 107 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,320 I was really little, around 11 or 12. 108 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,760 I was under contract with Motown, and I would have to go to the recording 109 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,320 studio. I had to go and make these albums, because the summer tour was 110 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:36,000 around the corner, and right across the street from the recording studio was a 111 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,000 ballpark, and I could hear the kids. 112 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:44,400 You know, the roar of the crowd and playing and catching ball and having fun 113 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,400 playing tennis. 114 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:51,520 And some of those times I so passionately wanted to just go over 115 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,040 a little bit and not go to the recording studio and sing. 116 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:58,060 Just to, you know, have some fun with the kids. 117 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,520 And I couldn't. 118 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:10,070 People say, why is he always with children? 119 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:13,210 Well, I was raised in a world with adults. 120 00:08:13,910 --> 00:08:17,950 The kids were playing in bed, sleeping. I was up doing clubs. 121 00:08:18,490 --> 00:08:21,010 I was doing club dates, 3 in the morning. 122 00:08:21,410 --> 00:08:23,270 The striptease would come on after us. 123 00:08:23,930 --> 00:08:30,030 We were performing, and we didn't have friends. 124 00:08:30,470 --> 00:08:35,470 My brothers were my friends, but we worked. We worked up until Christmas. 125 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:38,890 On my birthday, I was very strict with my witnesses. 126 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:44,310 So I'm compensating. Nature makes sure that I compensate for the lost. 127 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:48,490 So when you come behind my gate, you'll see amusement parks, you'll see animals, 128 00:08:48,690 --> 00:08:51,630 you'll see everything I never got to do. There's candy everywhere. 129 00:08:53,630 --> 00:08:59,190 Fun. While Bashir and his crew were here at Neverland, they got to witness what 130 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:01,150 has become an almost weekly experience. 131 00:09:01,970 --> 00:09:05,010 Buffloads of children, some from the inner city, some orphans. 132 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,900 some terminally ill, but all of them escaping their reality to spend a day at 133 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:12,140 Michael Jackson's creation. 134 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,320 Want to come over here? 135 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:47,200 I feel totally at home with them. I can talk to them one -on -one 136 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,020 because they don't judge you. 137 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,660 They're not looking for anything. 138 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:51,900 They just want to have some fun. 139 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:54,540 And that's the same with myself. 140 00:09:54,980 --> 00:09:56,380 And I can connect to that. 141 00:09:56,580 --> 00:09:58,180 I can understand that. 142 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,200 And the fact that I miss that on so much as a child. 143 00:10:03,820 --> 00:10:06,480 As soon as they come in the room, for me, the room lights up. 144 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:08,180 I like the sound it makes. 145 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:17,810 They're really funny. 146 00:10:18,390 --> 00:10:19,770 Oh, my God, they're funny. 147 00:10:20,130 --> 00:10:23,450 Didn't one of them say something funny to you yesterday about... Yeah, one of 148 00:10:23,450 --> 00:10:27,830 the boys said to me, he said, he saw all the rides and all the amusements, and 149 00:10:27,830 --> 00:10:33,390 he said, Michael Jackson, do you own all of this? 150 00:10:33,890 --> 00:10:34,910 I go, yeah. 151 00:10:35,630 --> 00:10:37,610 He said, do you pay for all of this? 152 00:10:38,190 --> 00:10:39,310 I said, yeah, I did. 153 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:41,750 And you still have money left over? 154 00:10:42,310 --> 00:10:45,350 That's exactly what he said to me. I said, yeah. 155 00:10:45,570 --> 00:10:46,570 I said, yeah. 156 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:48,930 He goes, I can't believe it. 157 00:10:49,510 --> 00:10:51,330 He said, I can't believe it. 158 00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:52,990 That's exactly what he said. 159 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:55,610 He was amazed that I still had money left over. 160 00:10:59,990 --> 00:11:04,850 We're Make -A -Wish staff members, and we are escorting all the Wish families 161 00:11:04,850 --> 00:11:06,250 that came to meet Michael. 162 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:09,910 It's just great to be a part of it and see how happy they are. 163 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:19,310 Everything is free. 164 00:11:19,870 --> 00:11:23,910 Theater, amusement park, whatever they want to do, they can do it. 165 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:27,550 But it's not free to you. It costs you millions of dollars. Millions a year, 166 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:28,649 yeah, millions. 167 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:32,650 But, you know, I get it all back when I see them smile. 168 00:11:33,070 --> 00:11:34,070 Peter Pan. 169 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,720 I've been in the house. I've seen the statues outside the house. 170 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,560 Why is Peter Pan a figure of such interest and inspiration to you? 171 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:52,360 Because Peter Pan, to me, represents something that's very special in my 172 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:58,560 You know, he represents youth, childhood, never growing up, magic, 173 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:03,480 flying, everything I think that children 174 00:12:05,689 --> 00:12:10,290 and wonderment and magic, what it's all about. 175 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:15,370 And to me, I just have never, ever grown out of loving that or thinking that 176 00:12:15,370 --> 00:12:16,370 it's very special. 177 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:18,990 You don't want to grow up? No, I am Peter Pan. 178 00:12:20,350 --> 00:12:21,670 Hey, you're not your Michael Jackson. 179 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:23,050 I'm Peter Pan in the heart. 180 00:12:23,570 --> 00:12:29,570 Do you think it would be true to say that you found friendship and 181 00:12:29,570 --> 00:12:33,370 in children that you haven't been able to find in adults? 182 00:12:34,540 --> 00:12:35,540 Absolutely. 183 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Really? Yeah. 184 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,140 I haven't been betrayed or deceived by children. 185 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,820 Adults have let me down. Adults have let the world down. 186 00:12:47,140 --> 00:12:50,880 What you're seeing all took place on the day that Martin Bashir and his crew 187 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,320 were filming at Neverland. 188 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:56,680 You actually see him in several of the shots being taken by Jackson's camera 189 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:00,400 crew. This was supposed to be a documentary to tell the truth. 190 00:13:01,780 --> 00:13:06,380 Everything. I mean, who would bring somebody to his life and open up all the 191 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:11,660 and wanted to lie about it? You know, if you don't want to lie about it, don't 192 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:12,599 even do it. 193 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,200 He didn't have to do this documentary. 194 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Nobody forced him to do this documentary. 195 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,820 After a full day spent with children from the Make -A -Wish Foundation at 196 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:24,720 Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch, what was Mr. Bashir's comment? 197 00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:29,560 We'll quote directly from his appearance on ABC's Primetime Thursday. 198 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,100 One of the most disturbing things is the fact that a lot of disadvantaged 199 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:35,660 children go to Neverland. 200 00:13:35,980 --> 00:13:39,020 It's a dangerous place for a vulnerable child to be. 201 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Now, I'm not saying that I saw any evidence of Michael Jackson being 202 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,500 sexually with any children. 203 00:13:45,820 --> 00:13:50,320 Quite the contrary. But what I am saying is that children who are vulnerable 204 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,600 should not be going into the house of a billionaire superstar where they sleep 205 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,600 in his bed. 206 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,340 That was Bashir's comment heard on TV by millions of people. 207 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:04,460 But what did Bashir say to Michael Jackson about this day at Neverland? 208 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,140 Let's take a look at the footage that was captured by Michael's camera 209 00:14:08,140 --> 00:14:09,540 documenting the interview. 210 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:13,880 The problem is, you see, nobody actually comes here and sees it. 211 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:17,420 But I was here yesterday and I saw it. 212 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:22,670 And it's nothing short of a spiritually timed thing. 213 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:26,190 I know, I know, but I've told him. 214 00:14:26,450 --> 00:14:30,250 A lot of people see it, but they never talk about it. And I've said this to 215 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:32,930 and what I wanted to convey is those two things. 216 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:36,370 And what we've had the privilege of doing this week is not only talking 217 00:14:36,370 --> 00:14:39,450 the musical genius, but about what we saw yesterday, which is incredible. 218 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:44,250 The woman you see has been Michael's makeup artist for over 20 years. 219 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:49,170 After listening to the glowing praise Bashir had for Michael in this 220 00:14:49,330 --> 00:14:53,970 she had a very hard time believing he could call Neverland a dangerous place 221 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:54,970 children. 222 00:14:55,830 --> 00:15:02,510 It's so hard for me to imagine that Michael opened up the 223 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:08,790 gates, not only to Neverland, but to his heart, to Bashir. 224 00:15:10,530 --> 00:15:13,650 And I really thought... 225 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:16,250 They're for sure. Got it. 226 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:17,770 It's getting worse. 227 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:24,270 He does, I mean, I can't tell you. You never see anybody talk about that stuff. 228 00:15:24,650 --> 00:15:31,570 But when he's talking about the things that he's passionate about, 229 00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:34,270 it's obvious that he's in his eye. 230 00:15:34,990 --> 00:15:37,830 People usually don't ask these questions. 231 00:15:38,090 --> 00:15:43,130 And if they do, they don't make it in the papers, they don't make it. 232 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,660 on the interviews, all the negative stuff. 233 00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:52,360 And they cut questions out, and they just, like, that's why he doesn't even 234 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,360 interviews anymore. 235 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:55,060 They twist everything. 236 00:15:55,300 --> 00:16:00,000 From the moment I met him, I mean, I remember, how can people be so cruel 237 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,200 read an article and I would cry, and he goes, well, 238 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,840 we ain't doing that yet. 239 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,700 Now, what could make an award -winning journalist? 240 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:12,880 have such a different opinion between what he would say on the air and what he 241 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,720 would say in the interview footage not included in his special. 242 00:16:16,180 --> 00:16:21,400 It appears that after Mr. Bashir had called cut for his own camera crew, he 243 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,860 well have forgotten that Michael's camera was still recording his every 244 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:30,760 possibility supported by a written request from both him and the producers 245 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,660 his special to make Michael's footage available for their review. 246 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,400 The different opinion expressed by Mr. Bashir regarding the safety of the 247 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,100 underprivileged children who visit Neverland is only the first of several 248 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:49,480 contradictory moments captured on tape, all of which you will see and hear on 249 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,480 this program. 250 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,080 When we come back, an exclusive interview with Michael's ex -wife. 251 00:16:55,660 --> 00:17:00,240 As much as I do not speak about my family, I will. 252 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,320 Right now. 253 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:04,910 Michael makes a long overdue confession. 254 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:07,270 You had sex with Debbie. 255 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:11,170 I know that's difficult for me to say because you're so embarrassed. 256 00:17:11,810 --> 00:17:14,410 But you actually had sex with her. You can see that. 257 00:17:15,069 --> 00:17:17,609 And Debbie tells us about the result. 258 00:17:20,770 --> 00:17:21,770 Plus, 259 00:17:22,430 --> 00:17:29,310 a very surprising revelation from 260 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:30,970 Michael's private cameras. 261 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,860 All when we return to the Michael Jackson interview, the footage you were 262 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:37,860 meant to see. 263 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:29,270 In addition to the never -before -seen footage from Martin Bashir's interview, 264 00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:33,570 We have also been allowed unprecedented interviews with some of the people 265 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:38,430 closest to Michael Jackson, people who have turned down very lucrative offers 266 00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:41,230 tell the inside story of life behind the Neverland Gate. 267 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:45,550 They break their silence for the first time, and not for money. 268 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:50,590 No one interviewed for this show received any payment to tell their 269 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:55,630 Their reason for appearing here is to tell the truth as they see it. 270 00:18:56,110 --> 00:19:01,390 And the person who has most avoided the glare of the spotlight is the person who 271 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:06,850 was perhaps the closest to Michael, the woman who was his wife and the mother of 272 00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:09,310 his first two children, Debbie Rowe. 273 00:19:10,110 --> 00:19:13,770 What's happened in the past is things have been taken out of context, twisted 274 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:14,770 around. 275 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:22,110 If I can help straighten it out, as much as I do not speak about my family, I 276 00:19:22,110 --> 00:19:23,110 will. 277 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:24,670 Right now. 278 00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:30,730 When I was talking to Prince one day, he said to me that he didn't have a 279 00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:31,730 mother. 280 00:19:33,010 --> 00:19:37,510 Yeah, I said, Prince, where's your money? And he said, I haven't got a 281 00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:41,990 Did you tell him to say that? 282 00:19:42,490 --> 00:19:45,130 What do you think he means when he said I haven't got a mother? 283 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:52,610 My kids don't call me mom because I don't want them to. 284 00:19:54,030 --> 00:19:55,030 They're not. 285 00:19:55,340 --> 00:20:00,480 They're Michael's children. It's not that they're not my children, but I had 286 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,360 them because I wanted him to be a father. 287 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:09,820 I believe that there are people who should be parents, and he's one of them. 288 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:17,140 And he is such a fabulous man and such a good friend, and he's always been there 289 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:20,240 for me, always, from the day I met him. 290 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,460 I could do something for him, and this is what I wanted to do. 291 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,980 Most people think Michael and Debbie's relationship was very short -term. 292 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,960 Actually, they met over 22 years ago. 293 00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:37,620 Was it intense, ma 'am? No. 294 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:39,800 No, it was over time. 295 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:47,060 It was over time. I think it was 18 years, 17, 18 years 296 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:49,400 that I knew him. 297 00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:51,940 When I... 298 00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:53,170 When I had Prince. 299 00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:59,850 In that time, they've gone on some very unusual outings, often with Michael in 300 00:20:59,850 --> 00:21:00,850 the sky. 301 00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:04,250 Yeah, he'd call, what are you doing? Nothing, what are you doing? 302 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:05,910 Want to know the video? Yeah. 303 00:21:06,190 --> 00:21:08,630 You know, I'd sneak out without security. 304 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:10,150 I got caught. 305 00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:13,670 Oh, God, it's like a Beatles film. We're getting chased by people. 306 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:19,510 We have to call security and bail us out. 307 00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:23,380 Yeah, we'd go out and do stuff. 308 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,300 So you'd go out to the ranch. Sneak him into premieres and things. 309 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,360 Yeah, we had a good time. We had a good time. He's always a lot of fun. 310 00:21:32,660 --> 00:21:35,840 When did Michael start talking about wanting to have kids? 311 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:38,240 Was it when he was still with Lisa Marie? 312 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,800 No, they had broken up. 313 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:45,160 And I was trying to console him because he was really upset. 314 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,980 And he was upset that he really wanted to be a dad. And I said... 315 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,320 So be a dad. 316 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,440 And she looked at me puzzled. And I said, let me do this. 317 00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:56,980 I want to do this. 318 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:02,600 You've been so good to me. You're such a great friend. Please let me do this. 319 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,620 I said, you need to be a dad. 320 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:06,900 I want to do this. 321 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,620 And, no, no, no. 322 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:15,420 I nagged him into it, if you will. 323 00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:21,480 She's a wonderful person. She knew that Michael Jackson loves children. 324 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,880 Yeah. And she knew that Michael Jackson wanted children. That's why. 325 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:26,880 And she was... You need to be a daddy. 326 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,560 Right. 327 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,680 She said you needed to be a daddy. 328 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,260 More than she needed to be a mother. 329 00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:37,220 Yeah. And she wanted to do that for me as a child. 330 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:45,180 And if you're talking about romance, maybe then, if you want to have a... 331 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:52,920 A marker, if that makes you and the rest of America feel that they need a 332 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,800 marker, then you could probably use that. 333 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,620 Once Debbie's pregnancy became common knowledge, the tabloid world had one 334 00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:00,579 burning question. 335 00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:02,860 Did they or didn't they? 336 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:09,420 The first two crystal pairs from Debbie, which was natural conception. 337 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,560 You had sex with Debbie? 338 00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:13,580 Yes. I know that's difficult for you. 339 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:15,510 For me to say, because you're so embarrassed. 340 00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:18,730 But you actually had sex with her. You can see that. 341 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:24,010 From the first moment Debbie learned she was pregnant, Michael warned her of 342 00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:25,010 what was to come. 343 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:27,490 He said, you don't know what they can do. 344 00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:30,450 And I said, oh, Michael, come on. 345 00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:33,550 We're having a baby. Normal people are having a baby. 346 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:35,570 Come on. 347 00:23:35,770 --> 00:23:38,250 How can that be weird? We're having a kid. 348 00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:42,070 If anything, that's beautiful. That's wonderful. That's great. 349 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,680 Boy, was I wrong. 350 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:49,280 I found out at one point a picture of me pregnant was worth half a million 351 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,280 dollars. 352 00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:53,760 To who and why? 353 00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:58,220 Have they never ever seen someone pregnant before? 354 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,680 Am I supposed to look different pregnant because it's Michael's baby than 355 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,680 someone else? 356 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,100 As you've heard, the decision to have Michael's child was easy for Debbie. 357 00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:11,860 The actual birth was another matter. 358 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,900 And we were very excited. 359 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,180 Michael was definitely more excited than I was. 360 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:20,960 You know, he was so excited when we had a contraction. 361 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:23,260 And he was there. 362 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320 We had videos. We had music, you know. 363 00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:29,080 And it was long. It was 23 hours. 364 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,900 And I had a very colorful language. 365 00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:41,460 And every time I went to say something, Michael would cut me off with, Shoot! 366 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:43,919 Or fudge. 367 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,980 Oh, he doesn't like cursing. 368 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,260 Or... He didn't think it was necessary when there were other words to do. 369 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:54,460 So... But he was there the whole time. Held my hand. 370 00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:57,460 Stroke my head. 371 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,620 I think I puked once. 372 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,040 And I was so embarrassed. And he was like, 373 00:25:04,340 --> 00:25:05,680 Stop. You're fine. 374 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,720 This is beautiful. This is wonderful. I said, I'm going to die. 375 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,260 No, you're not going to die. This is great. 376 00:25:12,020 --> 00:25:14,700 okay, we're crowning, you know, and Michael, bam, he's right there. 377 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:17,060 And he goes, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. 378 00:25:17,620 --> 00:25:22,560 Now, having come from a medical background, there is no way blood and 379 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,380 there's no way, you can't, sorry, I don't come from that background. 380 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960 It's like, Michael, it can't be that beautiful. 381 00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:31,700 Oh, he was welling up. 382 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,640 And then his son was born. 383 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,960 And the look on his face. 384 00:25:45,290 --> 00:25:46,290 Talk to my producer. 385 00:25:54,530 --> 00:25:56,190 I'd never seen him that happy. 386 00:25:58,570 --> 00:26:05,270 And that's what made it wonderful for me, was 387 00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:08,850 to see the look on his face. 388 00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:13,330 The birth of Prince Michael was soon followed. 389 00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:14,840 By a sister, Paris. 390 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,720 Yeah, we were kind of told we should wait. 391 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,500 You know, I guess there's a waiting, a suggested waiting time. 392 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:24,960 But I was flying to Paris all the time. That's actually how she got her name. 393 00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:25,980 That's where she was conceived. 394 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,760 Do you not think, though, that your children would benefit from contact with 395 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,760 their mother? 396 00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:33,620 No, but she doesn't. 397 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:37,520 It's private information. She doesn't. 398 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,820 She can't handle it. 399 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,900 She can't handle her own children. 400 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,960 Yes, I can't reveal that because I don't want to make anybody upset. 401 00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:53,060 While Michael may seem reluctant to discuss Debbie's absence from their 402 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:56,220 children, Debbie had no reluctance whatsoever. 403 00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:03,160 People don't understand that. And they want a traditional, they think that 404 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,220 something has to be traditional. 405 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:10,680 And they have this notion of beaver cleaver. 406 00:27:12,189 --> 00:27:18,930 That wasn't reality in the 50s, and that's not reality in the 21st century. 407 00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:23,550 We have a nontraditional family, and if it makes people uncomfortable, 408 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:29,550 it's a shame that they're not more open. 409 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:31,970 We are a family unit. 410 00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:34,710 Michael and I will always be connected with the kids. 411 00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:38,650 I will always be there for him. I will always be there for the children. 412 00:27:40,270 --> 00:27:43,250 And people make remarks, oh, I can't believe she left her children. 413 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,910 Left them? I left my children? 414 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:50,390 Do not leave my children. My children are with their father. 415 00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:54,210 Where they're supposed to be. 416 00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:05,350 So, this mother carries both children for nine months in her body. 417 00:28:06,010 --> 00:28:07,710 And she gives birth to them. 418 00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:11,090 And she prefers that they have nothing to do with her. 419 00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:19,770 Split up because I... They got to a point where I couldn't deal with it. I 420 00:28:19,770 --> 00:28:21,690 couldn't deal with the fact... I couldn't go to the grocery store. 421 00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:24,030 For two reasons. One, I'd get followed. 422 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:31,990 Two, I'd have to look at crap on the newsstands that are right at the 423 00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:34,670 as you go out that wasn't true. 424 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:36,430 You know? 425 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:39,380 I wasn't used to it. 426 00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:41,300 I like doing things for myself. 427 00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:47,800 Michael is more than generous. We don't have to go to the grocery store, but I 428 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,800 want to. 429 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,840 I really want to. 430 00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:54,920 I want to go back to what I can go back to. 431 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,420 That was what I was used to. That's where I'm comfortable. 432 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:01,180 Doing this is very uncomfortable for me. 433 00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:05,100 Talking about these things is extremely uncomfortable for me. 434 00:29:07,790 --> 00:29:12,310 But it's hard when you're an entertainer, you know. It's hard to have 435 00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:13,310 marriage. 436 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:17,910 I mean, one day I'll be married again, but maybe too soon. I went through two 437 00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:18,910 tough courses. 438 00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:21,510 So I'm married to my fans. 439 00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:24,550 I'm married to God. I'm married to my children. 440 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:25,830 I'm married to life. 441 00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:30,710 Coming up, the notorious incident that had the whole world talking. 442 00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:37,390 And it happened for like two seconds, but when it gets on the news, we slow it 443 00:29:37,390 --> 00:29:38,390 down. 444 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:42,870 Michael's mother reveals what it was like to grow up in the Jackson 5. 445 00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:49,290 Joseph didn't beat him or anything like that. We just disciplined him out of 446 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:52,410 love. And we find out why Bubbles had to go. 447 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:57,590 Because the chance they get to an age like teenage kids do, where they want to 448 00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:58,790 challenge their parents. 449 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:02,230 All when we return to the Michael Jackson interview. 450 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,140 The footage you were never meant to see. 451 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,660 When Martin Bashir arrived to film Michael and his children, Bashir was 452 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:28,360 immediately confronted with one of the major worries of celebrity parents, the 453 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,900 horrible danger of kidnapping. 454 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,660 Consequently, as a security measure, public appearances by Michael's children 455 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:38,980 require that their faces be hidden behind masks or veils. 456 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,420 Bashir's repeated questioning fails to establish one important fact, whose idea 457 00:30:58,420 --> 00:30:59,740 it was to wear them. 458 00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:05,640 I obviously have some influence, as their faces are still covered. 459 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:10,440 That was my request, not his. 460 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:12,360 Michael's very proud of his children. 461 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,680 I'm the one who's terrified. 462 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,340 I'm the one who's seen the notes that someone's going to take his children. 463 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,320 They're not. 464 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,100 They're not. 465 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:36,030 Whatever, whatever can be done. They're not. There's nothing more terrifying 466 00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:41,510 than looking at a piece of paper that says, I'm taking them. 467 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:44,290 And I said, you know what? 468 00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:46,710 I wore a scarf. No big deal. 469 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:50,650 Pretend it's Halloween. 470 00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:55,270 I don't want people seeing that the press are, they can be very mean. 471 00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:59,810 I don't want them to grow up psychologically crazy because of the 472 00:31:59,810 --> 00:32:00,810 they can say to them. 473 00:32:00,970 --> 00:32:02,130 I want them to be normal. 474 00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:04,430 That makes sense, doesn't it? 475 00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:06,930 Yeah. Right? It does. 476 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:08,190 It does. 477 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:14,650 And I'm sure at some point he will say, you know, to the children, 478 00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:18,070 do you want to wear the scarf? 479 00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:22,130 I will have immediate heart failure, you know, but... 480 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520 Yeah, he's not going to make his children do something they don't want to 481 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,960 He's not that kind of a parent. 482 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:30,980 Not at all. 483 00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:38,860 And I truly don't see why everybody 484 00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:40,040 focuses on that. 485 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,860 I mean, is it a fashion statement? 486 00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:44,680 Are the scarves not matching? 487 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:46,100 You know, we'll work on it. 488 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,980 While some people may have a hard time with the intense security measures 489 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:57,280 Michael and his family have to follow, there was one particular occurrence in 490 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,960 Germany that had many people questioning his children's safety. 491 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:05,500 Take, 492 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:13,060 for example, what happened in Germany where there was a huge outcry and you 493 00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:16,000 suffered a great deal of negative comment in the press. 494 00:33:18,209 --> 00:33:22,690 Was there no one in your group who said, Michael, even though you're not going 495 00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:27,150 to damage your child and you would never harm your child, but Michael, if you 496 00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:32,150 dangle blanket over a balcony, you are going to be severely criticized. 497 00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:36,270 Was there no one in the room who would say, Michael, don't do it? 498 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,240 And they didn't say no? 499 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,040 No, because I was holding everything strong, hard, tight. 500 00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:46,000 Now, that's exactly what I'm saying, though. And I know better. 501 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:51,060 And I've seen people that flip their kids up in the air, do somersaults and 502 00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:52,060 catch them. 503 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,500 And, you know, I get caught up in the moment. It's holding on tight. 504 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:58,260 Give a wave. 505 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:15,120 I think the media took 506 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,520 it and ran, like they do everything else. 507 00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:22,380 It's just like, oh my God, oh my God, he's not dropping the baby, please. 508 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,940 Please. They blew it up into something it's not. 509 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:28,239 We know about it. 510 00:34:29,929 --> 00:34:33,130 Misunderstood. Explain it. What don't we know about it? What should we know 511 00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:34,409 about him we don't know? 512 00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:37,010 All right, I'll tell you from the very beginning. Good. 513 00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:40,570 He had such a grip on that child. 514 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:47,710 And if you look at it again, he's got that child so tightly held 515 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:49,670 under the armpits. 516 00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:51,350 I'm showing it now. 517 00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:55,190 Yeah, he's got it pretty tight under his arm. 518 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,780 The governance was up there, security was up there, other people. I took my 519 00:34:59,780 --> 00:35:01,360 other children up there and did the same thing. 520 00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:12,200 Like I said before, he's very proud of his children, you know. 521 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:19,060 And if you listen to his fans all night long, they're so adoring and so loving 522 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:20,180 and loyal. 523 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,940 And they'll be there all night. 524 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:26,990 They wanted to see the little one, and he showed them the little one. 525 00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:28,630 Nothing inappropriate. 526 00:35:29,830 --> 00:35:35,890 May not have been the best thing he's ever done in his life, but certainly 527 00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:39,290 I think it was made too big a deal of. 528 00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:44,030 Even now you're happy that you dangled him over the... Not happy that I dangled 529 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:47,090 him over the boundary, no. You're not happy. I'm happy that I let the kids 530 00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:52,720 In spite of his admission that he was not happy about the incident, it still 531 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,840 not seem as troubling to Michael as it did to people around the world. 532 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,940 A point Martin Bashir made both in his TV special and in his comments on 533 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:03,300 primetime Thursday after the show aired. 534 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,480 He said that they are restricted. They are overly protected. 535 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,440 I was angry at the way his children were made to suffer. 536 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,640 What he said about Michael's parenting skills in the footage that was not aired 537 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,970 appears to paint an extremely different picture. And we must stress, What you're 538 00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:26,950 about to see and hear happened during Bashir's final interview with Michael 539 00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:30,630 after the incident with the baby on the Berlin hotel balcony. 540 00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:36,450 One of the things that I noticed about you over the last year is your 541 00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:40,550 relationship with your children. And I have to say to you, and I didn't know 542 00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:44,770 before, and you haven't put on a front, your relationship with your children is 543 00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:46,330 spectacular. Hello. 544 00:36:47,590 --> 00:36:48,590 And in fact... 545 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,920 It almost makes me weep when I see you with them because your interaction with 546 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,240 them is just so natural, so loving, so caring. 547 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,420 Thank you so much. And everybody who ever comes into contact with you knows 548 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:08,160 that. I'm crazy about a diaper. I'm crazy about it. And I tell them. 549 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:13,400 I look into their eyes every day. I make sure I do it. I say, look at me. I love 550 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,400 you very much. 551 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,940 What they actually say to you is they love you and you say I love you more. 552 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480 That's what you say every single time. 553 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,740 That's your phrase and I've heard it. I've heard it once. I've heard it a 554 00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:25,740 million times. 555 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,000 Yeah, and they say such sweet things sometimes. 556 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,940 And I didn't tell them to say it. 557 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,180 They say it all the time. I pick them up and they say, Daddy, thank you for 558 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:39,180 giving me a brother. 559 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:40,780 All the time. 560 00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:47,070 You know, I would like 561 00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:50,070 to have more children. 562 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:55,730 You know what? If he called me tonight and said, let's have five more, in a 563 00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:58,070 heartbeat. You would do it again. In a heartbeat. 564 00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:03,810 In a heartbeat. Now, what could have persuaded one of the world's most 565 00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:08,070 superstars to grant an interviewer and a camera crew entrance into his life? 566 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:13,930 Now, according to Jackson, It was to answer many of the important questions 567 00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:17,030 tabloids and fans have been speculating about for years. 568 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:21,690 As you've seen, not all of those important answers made it on the air. 569 00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:27,050 And as for the not -so -earth -shaking ones, well, they were edited out too, 570 00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:30,070 like the whereabouts of Mr. 571 00:38:30,350 --> 00:38:32,710 Jackson's former constant companion. 572 00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:34,950 Where is Bubbles now? 573 00:38:35,490 --> 00:38:36,770 Bubbles is... 574 00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:43,770 He's with a caretaker with 40 to 50 other chimps because chimps, they get to 575 00:38:43,770 --> 00:38:48,690 age, like teenage kids do, where they want to challenge their parents. 576 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:52,030 Like if your father tells you to do something, you go, why? 577 00:38:52,650 --> 00:38:53,970 Why do I have to do it, Dad? 578 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:57,650 And chimps are very much like that, too. They'll challenge you. And it can 579 00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:59,350 become dangerous in a way. 580 00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:05,370 And if they get angry with you and decide to take you on, it's no match. 581 00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:07,110 I mean, they're very, very strong. 582 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,220 They can take your finger off. They're very powerful. 583 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,420 But while Bubbles was living at Neverland, Bubbles, the other animals, 584 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:17,480 Michael were virtually inseparable. 585 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,780 Many people made fun of me with my animals, you know. 586 00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:27,120 If I come home from a hard day at the studio and I come home to my deer or my 587 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,680 chimps, and I can hug them and they don't ask you anything, they don't 588 00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:36,200 you know, they don't gossip. They just want a hug and some love. 589 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,040 And you get on with it. You know, where's the pizza? 590 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:42,140 Whip out the ice cream. Because the chimps, they love snacks. 591 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,460 And, you know, they run around and they help me clean the room and they help me 592 00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:54,900 fix up things, you know. And their DNA is literally identical to ours if you 593 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:55,900 look in the microscope. 594 00:39:56,860 --> 00:39:57,900 And they're amazing. 595 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,240 Chimps would help you clean the house? Yeah, yeah. They help me clean up my 596 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:02,800 room. They help me dust. 597 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,840 They do windows. 598 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,860 They bless the toilet after they use the bathroom. 599 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,260 You let the chimps use your own bathroom? Sure, yeah, of course. 600 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:14,620 Bubbles would go himself. 601 00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:20,820 And he'd sit at the table and he'd pick up his spoon and his fork and eat. And 602 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,140 he's very polite and very intelligent. 603 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,700 While in Berlin with Jackson, Martin Bashir was invited to accompany Michael 604 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,780 his two children on a trip to the zoo. 605 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:37,990 But because someone had evidently tipped off the press, the paparazzi were out 606 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:43,330 in force, causing chaos and a potentially dangerous situation for the 607 00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:44,330 family. 608 00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:49,810 Do you know it took us three and a half hours to get in and out, and we spent 609 00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:53,010 four minutes in front of the gorillas? It was chaos, Michael. 610 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:57,270 I was in the middle of it. Our cameraman fell over. 611 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,380 At one point, Prince got hurt by someone's umbrella. 612 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,880 Yes. 613 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:09,860 Do you really think it was worth the pain of three and a half hours for four 614 00:41:09,860 --> 00:41:10,860 minutes in front of the gorilla? 615 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,880 Well, I'm not a horse seer of events. I'm not a super seer or a prophet of any 616 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,820 kind. I didn't know that was going to happen like that. 617 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,680 As you've seen and heard from Michael's behind -the -scenes camera of Bashir's 618 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,670 interview, Bashir seems to express a genuine concern for the welfare, of 619 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:35,210 Michael's children and raises the question as to Michael's apparent lapse 620 00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:36,250 parental judgment. 621 00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:41,810 Bashir comments, it was no kind of trip for two young children and everyone 622 00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:43,690 could see it but Jackson himself. 623 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:49,110 But what Bashir doesn't include is Michael's explanation that Michael was 624 00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:51,630 informed that the zoo would be closed during his visit. 625 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:56,010 I go to the zoo all the time. I go usually when they close it down. 626 00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:58,350 And they told us this would be closed down. 627 00:41:58,550 --> 00:42:02,910 And they didn't. They left the gates open and fans and people started pouring 628 00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:08,470 in. In fact, what the owner said, because I was there, he actually said 629 00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:13,470 view was at the end of the normal opening hours, he would have closed the 630 00:42:13,470 --> 00:42:16,490 and then just opened it for you and your family. 631 00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:21,830 But you decided not to go then. He wants to go in the day rather than... That's 632 00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:22,388 not true. 633 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:23,089 Is that not true? 634 00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:25,310 That's not true. That was what he said. I don't want to go in the day, 635 00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:27,630 especially... I have a problem with the sun. 636 00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:32,230 Well, it was winter in Germany, so it wasn't... Nighttime would have been much 637 00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:33,230 cooler. Yeah. 638 00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:36,410 It would have been better to have gone at night. Yeah. 639 00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:37,750 So why didn't you? 640 00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:40,930 I never knew that was the proposal. 641 00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:42,970 I thought we had a slot and that was it. 642 00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:49,110 This was just a misunderstanding from the zoo part and Michael's people, and 643 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:52,070 they thought the zoo was going to be closed, but it wasn't. 644 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,270 But that whole thing was not a big deal. 645 00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,900 I mean, he goes through that all the time. 646 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,760 Coming up, Michael's video cameras capture a very revealing moment. 647 00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:07,680 So they're so quick to call you strange and weird. 648 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:10,200 It's almost as if you're forced to be different. 649 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,920 Michael's father reacts to Bashir's special. 650 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:20,280 Well, one of the things that I can see this man tried to do, he tried to pin 651 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,540 something on me where I was real brutal. 652 00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:26,480 What caused the surgery the other special didn't tell you about? 653 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,480 He was so badly burned on the top of his head. The whole top of his head caught 654 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,140 fire right in front of my eyes. 655 00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:36,600 All when we return to the Michael Jackson interview. 656 00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:39,500 The footage you were never meant to see. 657 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,600 It was the documentary that shocked the world and outraged the king of pop. 658 00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:00,120 It hurts to be misunderstood. 659 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,540 Was Martin Bashir taking the Michael? It's about bringing out what you're 660 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,760 In a Sky One exclusive, we reveal the footage you were never meant to see. 661 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,100 Your relationship with your children is spectacular. 662 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,140 It almost makes me weep. All you want to do is bring some love and some joy. 663 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:23,340 The Michael Jackson interview, tonight, 9 o 'clock, only on Sky One. 664 00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:38,510 we'd like to remind you that while Michael Jackson provided much of the 665 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:44,390 you are seeing tonight he has absolutely no editorial control over the content 666 00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:45,390 of this program 667 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,420 In the past hour, you've seen a British journalist ask some tough questions. 668 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,420 What hurts you most? 669 00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:15,880 When they lie. 670 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:17,460 They lie. 671 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,220 They complete lie. 672 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,580 And some tougher questions. 673 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,020 You had sex with Debbie. 674 00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:27,930 I know that's difficult for me to say because you're so embarrassed. 675 00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:32,650 You're about to hear Michael Jackson's family rally around him, voicing their 676 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:35,950 support. They can go and talk to these children all they want. They're not 677 00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:39,310 to find anything. What they need to do is leave him alone. 678 00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:41,210 And voicing their disagreement. 679 00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:44,290 I hear Michael saying that he's lonely. 680 00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:48,450 But back in those days, Michael had his brothers. He had all his brothers to 681 00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:49,209 play with. 682 00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:53,250 You've seen Michael's ex -wife come forward for the first time with 683 00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:54,250 of emotion. 684 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:56,600 I've never seen him that happy. 685 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,840 And that's what made it wonderful for me. 686 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,980 And expressions of strength. 687 00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:10,540 Do not leave my children. My children are with their father, where they're 688 00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:11,540 supposed to be. 689 00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:16,720 But most of all, you've seen Michael Jackson's own private cameras catch the 690 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,280 good. I think God outdid himself when he created children. 691 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,680 The bad. 692 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:27,760 If you dangle blanket over a balcony, you are going to be severely pitified. 693 00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:32,140 The strange. You let the chimps use your own bathroom? Sure, yeah, of course. 694 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,660 Bubbles would go in itself. 695 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,340 And the strangely human. 696 00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:37,740 I am Peter Pan. 697 00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:40,420 Are you not your Michael Jackson? 698 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:41,860 I'm Peter Pan, my heart. 699 00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:51,380 But what you've seen so far is only the beginning. 700 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,720 of the Michael Jackson interview, the footage you were never meant to see. 701 00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:12,240 In addition 702 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,280 to revisiting the interviews with Michael Jackson that were contained in 703 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,020 special, we've also asked members of the Jackson family to comment. 704 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,220 on the information that the special chose to include. 705 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:27,580 While the Jacksons are a very supportive family, not all of what they have to 706 00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:32,180 say is in complete agreement with Michael. And many of the comments you'll 707 00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:35,640 have never been revealed publicly until now. 708 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:42,860 We try to get above all of this, the way of being united together. We don't like 709 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:47,100 what some of the things are being said out there, but when you're number one 710 00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:48,720 there all over the world, you're... 711 00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:51,730 Get those kind of pot shots at you at all times. 712 00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:56,630 You've been so successful and you've amassed so much wealth. 713 00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:59,070 You never need to work again. 714 00:48:00,310 --> 00:48:02,530 And yet you don't seem to be able to enjoy it. 715 00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:07,170 It seems that you're restricted somehow. 716 00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:09,750 I enjoy it to my children. 717 00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:11,490 But I'm talking about you. 718 00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:14,570 You just don't seem to enjoy it. 719 00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:16,340 Enjoy what? 720 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,940 Enjoy your success. Enjoy your wealth. 721 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:25,280 It's hard to... I can enjoy it behind my gates, but I can't go out and enjoy it 722 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,080 because it becomes work all over again. 723 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,260 Working has been Michael's life from the time he was five years old. 724 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,600 Oh, darling, I was blind to let you go. 725 00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:39,820 And as we've already seen, missing out on his childhood continues to affect him 726 00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:40,980 to this very day. 727 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,900 You often seem very lonely. 728 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,620 Is that true? 729 00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:52,820 I used to be very lonely. 730 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,200 Painful and so on. 731 00:48:56,780 --> 00:48:57,920 You have no idea. 732 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,280 I used to walk the streets. 733 00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:03,960 Little people would talk to me. 734 00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:08,720 I hear Micah saying that he's lonely. 735 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,180 But back in those days, Micah had his brothers. He had all his brothers to 736 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:15,920 with. And so, you know. 737 00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:19,910 And the kids that he brought all the candy around, he'd buy so much candy and 738 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:22,610 the kids would be in a circle, standing around in a circle. 739 00:49:22,850 --> 00:49:26,730 And they'd all be eating candy off the allowance I had given him. 740 00:49:27,110 --> 00:49:30,730 But one thing he enjoyed was to see those kids eating that candy and he'd be 741 00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:36,090 laughing. Once you're surrounded by your family, by musicians, by people wanting 742 00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:39,010 to be your friend, you were an international superstar. 743 00:49:39,590 --> 00:49:41,030 How can you say you had no friends? 744 00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:42,750 Because those people... 745 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,380 spoke to me on a language on another level that was musical, that was 746 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:52,600 entertainment, but to get away from that, to separate oneself from that, and 747 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,600 try to discover the fun things about life. 748 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,140 When do you feel that? 749 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,920 When do I feel alone? 750 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:12,530 I mean, I can be, you know, usually in hotels when there's I also 751 00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:17,070 have friends chanting, you're out in the street, you know, losing sleeping bags, 752 00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:20,750 and they're chanting, they love you and everything, and you can't get out. 753 00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:22,510 You feel trapped inside. 754 00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:25,730 And you just cry, and you feel lonely, you know? 755 00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:31,270 And there's all that love out there, but you really do feel trapped and lonely 756 00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:35,970 that you can't get out. And if you go to a bookstore, if you go out, if you go 757 00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:39,910 to a club, which I don't like clubs, you know, 758 00:50:40,759 --> 00:50:44,100 Every book you buy, they wonder, why are you buying this? Why is Michael Jackson 759 00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:44,939 buying this? 760 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:46,140 Why is he reading this? 761 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,100 Or you go to the club. As soon as you go in there, every song is my song. I want 762 00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:52,100 to hear my music. 763 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,340 And everybody starts chanting for me to dance. 764 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,500 So it becomes a show all over again. So you can't go anywhere. 765 00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:01,640 So wherever you go, you know. 766 00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:05,640 That's not much of a life, is it? I know. 767 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,840 It's difficult. 768 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,600 And I don't want to complain like I'm complaining because it comes with the 769 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,640 territory, but I don't think people understand the other side that comes 770 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,960 it. So they're so quick to call you strange and weird, but it's almost as if 771 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,700 you're forced to be different because it's not normal life, you know? 772 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,100 I can do the normal thing, go to the store and buy a piece of bread, a piece 773 00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,780 candy or something. He can't do that. 774 00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:34,560 So that will cause you to become a recluse or to sort of... 775 00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:39,000 be withdrawn do you not sometimes wish that you could go to the local store and 776 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,380 of course buy yourself some food and come back or go to the market like one 777 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:49,380 those markets and pick one of those carts and throw some food in there and 778 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:55,660 down the aisle i would love to do that can you do that no of course not of 779 00:51:55,660 --> 00:52:02,340 course not i tried in uh every the whole place stops you know 780 00:52:02,340 --> 00:52:06,180 everybody's chanting and getting an autograph. 781 00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:08,419 It's hard. 782 00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:09,580 It doesn't work. 783 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,300 That's why I love putting on disguise. 784 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:16,020 One of the disguises Michael would wear in public was from his music video, 785 00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:21,380 Ghost, a makeup process that took several hours and would turn him into a 786 00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:25,560 completely unrecognizable and very large white man. 787 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,560 I sit on a bench at Disneyland. 788 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,760 I sit there and I learn so much. 789 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,660 Watching people study people's characters. 790 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,140 That's what I like. I like going inside. 791 00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:40,420 That's sending performance. 792 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,340 You can tell right away when an artist, if you can read on her face when she's 793 00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:52,060 dancing, she's counting one and two and three and four and five and six and six. 794 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,420 But when you, that's the wrong concept for dance. 795 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,460 Dancing is about feeling, not about thinking. So when they count, they're 796 00:52:59,460 --> 00:53:00,460 thinking. 797 00:53:00,590 --> 00:53:06,170 To feel, become the bass, become the drums, become the guitar strings. 798 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:08,950 You just become a oneness, you know? 799 00:53:19,090 --> 00:53:20,770 That's very important. 800 00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:22,230 But that's real. 801 00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:25,510 But that's Michael Jackson talking as a performer. 802 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:29,210 I love performing. But that's not... I wish I could sleep on stage. 803 00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:31,290 But that's not Michael Jackson the person. 804 00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:40,030 One of the most compelling and revealing lines of questioning that Martin Bashir 805 00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:43,930 pursued had to do with the strict discipline that Michael and his brothers 806 00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:45,490 endured at the hands of their father. 807 00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:50,470 Unfortunately, this is footage that Mr. Bashir and his producers have not 808 00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:51,610 allowed us to show you. 809 00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:56,830 But we can tell you that it was a very emotional description of beatings with 810 00:53:56,830 --> 00:53:58,870 belts and the cords from iron. 811 00:53:59,660 --> 00:54:02,500 You remember when you said to me that you just wanted to run away from your 812 00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,140 father? I hid. I used to hide. 813 00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:12,420 Well, one of the things I can see this man tried to do, he tried to pin 814 00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:14,820 something on me where I was real brutal. 815 00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:19,400 And raising these guys, Jermaine and all the rest of them, they all got 816 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,060 whiffings. But they didn't get no beatings, you know. They got whiffings. 817 00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:28,420 We were disciplined in the way in which he knew. And during that time... 818 00:54:29,299 --> 00:54:33,280 All children and parents at the time, with their kids, we had to be in before 819 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,840 the lights were on at night and we had to ask for things. 820 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,540 And I thought it was great because it allowed us to become what we became. 821 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,660 We never got on drugs. We never got in trouble. 822 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:51,220 And I see the difference from my upbringing as when I came to California 823 00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:54,780 friends as I went to school with how they would curse their parents out and 824 00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:57,560 the door and disrespect them. Joseph didn't beat them or? 825 00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:02,390 anything like that. We just disciplined them out of love. And the Bible says if 826 00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:04,130 you love a child, you will discipline them. 827 00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:08,350 The discussion of the strict discipline and verbal abuse by Michael's father 828 00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:12,510 went on for almost eight minutes in Mr. Beshear's finished special. 829 00:55:13,070 --> 00:55:18,050 But what he did not include was a short but very revealing comment from Michael 830 00:55:18,050 --> 00:55:19,530 about his father. 831 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,040 He hurt me when he was little, but he's a genius. The man is a genius. 832 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,080 At the same time, he is a genius. 833 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:31,380 He really is. 834 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:35,400 But, Michael, he injured you when you were a child. 835 00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:37,080 Yeah, but look what came out of him. 836 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,140 Maybe I wouldn't have the affection for the kids that I have today and wanted to 837 00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:45,800 help them. When we return, the police investigation that put Michael on the 838 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,700 offensive. At every opportunity, the media has dissected and manipulated 839 00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:52,740 allegations to reach their own conclusions. 840 00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:55,900 And Debbie Rowe finally reaches her limit. 841 00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:58,020 I'm tired of the lies. 842 00:55:58,740 --> 00:55:59,860 I'm tired of the bull. 843 00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:04,260 The devastating disease that Michael claims turned him porcelain white. 844 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,560 I was putting on cream to make myself white. It's not true. I did it right. 845 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,160 And friends of Michael who were forced to leave their home. 846 00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:16,360 All when the Michael Jackson interview. 847 00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:19,060 The footage you were never meant to see. 848 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,220 Without a doubt, one of the most controversial topics of Michael 849 00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:12,310 is his relationship with children. The scandals and rumored surrounding 850 00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:16,590 allegations made against Jackson are the subject of seemingly endless 851 00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:21,890 speculation. As we told you before, Michael Jackson has no editorial control 852 00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:23,490 over the content of this program. 853 00:57:23,830 --> 00:57:28,810 What you see and hear is intended to be an unbiased presentation that allows you 854 00:57:28,810 --> 00:57:30,330 to draw your own conclusions. 855 00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:35,890 Some years ago, you yourself were about to embark on a tour. 856 00:57:36,910 --> 00:57:39,450 And allegations were made about you and children. 857 00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:44,250 What about 1993? What happened? What was Michael Jackson doing? 858 00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:45,550 They don't know. 859 00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:47,190 They don't know. 860 00:57:48,210 --> 00:57:49,230 All that thought. 861 00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:53,410 I would never be. I would slit my wrist if I were hurt. 862 00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:56,250 He would never hurt a child. Never. 863 00:57:57,090 --> 00:57:58,090 It's not in him. 864 00:57:58,830 --> 00:58:01,550 It's... No way. 865 00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:05,750 He would never do anything inappropriate with a child. 866 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,760 It's the furthest thing from his mind. 867 00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:17,020 When those allegations came, in 93, I think it was, 868 00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:18,220 devastated. 869 00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:21,680 I mean, talk about going for the jugular. 870 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,580 At every opportunity, the media has dissected and manipulated these 871 00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:29,140 to reach their own conclusions. 872 00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:34,700 I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth before you label or condemn me. 873 00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:35,900 I am. 874 00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:39,690 watched Michael after they accused him of that child molestation. 875 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:47,810 But at first he was a little lonely and all, but he never stopped because he 876 00:58:47,810 --> 00:58:50,870 knew it wasn't the truth, and he never stopped loving children. 877 00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:53,570 No, that's what I admire about him. He keeps going. 878 00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:59,110 He's not going to give up, and he's going to still give to all of us. I just 879 00:58:59,110 --> 00:59:00,110 know it. 880 00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:03,830 And brochures will come and go, you know. 881 00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:05,670 Michael will live forever. 882 00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:15,210 Apparently, there's some confusion with sleeping in bed. 883 00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:18,810 My favorite thing to do is to sit in bed and watch TV. 884 00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:24,290 If you're coming over, take your shoes off, get on the bed, or watch the TV. 885 00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:26,170 My house, right? 886 00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:28,100 And they tore this house apart. 887 00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:29,900 They went in my mother's safe. 888 00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:37,320 They tore it up, and they went in my mother's hyperpressure pills, and they 889 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,540 looking at, I mean, just what were they looking for? They were trying and trying 890 00:59:41,540 --> 00:59:44,500 to try to get some crap on Michael that was not true. 891 00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:46,040 What hurts you most? 892 00:59:46,620 --> 00:59:47,620 When they lie. 893 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,360 The lies. 894 00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:50,900 The complete lies. 895 00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:52,700 I mean, it hurts. 896 00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:56,930 And it hurts me because I know there's children out there who has to hear that 897 00:59:56,930 --> 01:00:03,590 crap. Why do people do that when all you have done is brought 898 01:00:03,590 --> 01:00:10,070 some of the most beautiful music, most beautiful popular music that many of us 899 01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:11,069 have ever heard? 900 01:00:11,070 --> 01:00:15,270 Why do people want to judge you if you've done, all you've done is been an 901 01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:17,370 artist and brought wonderful music? 902 01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:21,150 With success, people become jealous. 903 01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:24,490 It hurts to be misunderstood. 904 01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:29,770 No matter how much you try to put people on track, there will still be some 905 01:00:29,770 --> 01:00:33,090 judgment when you say that it's so far from the truth. 906 01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:39,910 Following the broadcast of Mr. Bashir's special, the speculation about what went 907 01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:45,350 on in Jackson's private life was once again headline news, primarily due to 908 01:00:45,350 --> 01:00:49,650 story of Gavin, a young man who had reportedly been dying of cancer. 909 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,700 Gavin was somebody who was diagnosed with cancer. 910 01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:57,180 Doctors gave him, I think, three weeks or one month to live. 911 01:00:57,500 --> 01:01:01,880 One of his last wishes was to meet Michael, a request fulfilled through Los 912 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,160 Angeles businessman Jamie Masada. 913 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,900 Then he said to me, under his breath, he said, I want to meet Michael Jackson. 914 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,120 At that point, I didn't know Michael Jackson. 915 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,940 And I just came out of the room, I started crying. 916 01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:17,710 I didn't know what to do. 917 01:01:18,010 --> 01:01:22,490 I called Neverland. I said, is there any way you can get a chance to call the 918 01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:26,730 kid? They're not coming next day. And I said, Gavin, he had a little smile on 919 01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:27,288 his face. 920 01:01:27,290 --> 01:01:30,410 I said, Gavin, what's going on? He said, Michael, call me. 921 01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:35,290 Gavin and his family formed an immediate bond with Jackson, creating an 922 01:01:35,290 --> 01:01:38,570 atmosphere that many believe played a large part in Gavin's recovery. 923 01:01:39,150 --> 01:01:42,870 You know, two and a half years ago, the doctor, they said, two more weeks, he's 924 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:43,870 dead. 925 01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:45,130 Now he's alive. 926 01:01:45,690 --> 01:01:49,610 His appearance on the Bashir special showed a seemingly healthy and happy 927 01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:54,670 man, clearly very fond of Jackson. And while Mr. Bashir did touch on Gavin's 928 01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:59,490 amazing recovery, many believe that the real focus was on Michael's relationship 929 01:01:59,490 --> 01:02:03,950 with the young man, especially the revelation that they had spent the night 930 01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:04,950 the same room. 931 01:02:05,050 --> 01:02:08,890 The thing that upsets me right now, the reason I'm giving you the interview, 932 01:02:09,010 --> 01:02:11,590 because Gavin called me, he was crying on the phone. 933 01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:15,290 He went in gas station. The kid in gas station, they start kidding. 934 01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:18,450 Oh, you are the kid doing this with Michael. You slept with Michael. 935 01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:22,930 It's horrible to do to a kid. This kid's been through life. 936 01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:27,170 He's been through horrible life so far. Since Mr. Bashir's documentary aired, 937 01:02:27,370 --> 01:02:32,690 Gavin and his mother have gone into seclusion after being bombarded by 938 01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:35,530 for interviews from tabloids around the world. 939 01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:41,550 This statement released to the press by Gavin's mother says, I'm appalled at the 940 01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:44,410 way in which my son has been exploited by Martin Bashir. 941 01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:49,050 The relationship that Michael has with my three children is a beautiful, loving 942 01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:50,990 father -sons -and -daughter one. 943 01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:55,830 To my children and me, Michael is a part of our family. In addition, she is 944 01:02:55,830 --> 01:03:00,750 considering action against Mr. Bashir for including Gavin in his special 945 01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:01,750 parental consent. 946 01:03:03,490 --> 01:03:05,730 It can only take a life for so long. 947 01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:09,090 And I've reached my limit. 948 01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:11,640 And that's why I'm doing this. 949 01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:14,840 I'm not here to defend my body. 950 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,540 I'm here to tell you the truth. 951 01:03:17,860 --> 01:03:24,780 I didn't really know how you behave with the people who come to the ranch 952 01:03:24,780 --> 01:03:26,360 and come to your home. 953 01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:28,260 I hadn't seen it. 954 01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:32,900 And you were the most generous person. 955 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,720 But I looked around here yesterday. 956 01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:39,870 And some of the people really appreciated it. 957 01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:41,870 But others were greedy. 958 01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:43,970 Others couldn't help themselves. 959 01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:48,790 Do you sometimes despair of human nature? 960 01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:53,330 Yes. 961 01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:59,170 One of the topics repeatedly brought up in Martin Bashir's interview is the same 962 01:03:59,170 --> 01:04:03,110 one that has been the subject of speculation by countless tabloids, talk 963 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:05,910 and comic monologues for over 20 years. 964 01:04:06,140 --> 01:04:08,920 Michael Jackson's changing appearance. 965 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:16,620 Having surgery or changes or whatever, cosmetic surgery or anything 966 01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:20,040 like that, people have that sort of thing in this country all the time. All 967 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,920 time. People go on a weekly basis to have things changed. Most celebrities, 968 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,080 movie stars, you know. 969 01:04:29,020 --> 01:04:31,960 So why is it such an issue that you do that? 970 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,700 But the fact that they said I... 971 01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:41,150 Like I'm overly obsessed with it. It's not true. 972 01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:44,210 The things they've said that I've done are not true. 973 01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:47,350 I haven't had my eyes done. I haven't had my cheekbones done. 974 01:04:47,570 --> 01:04:48,890 I haven't had my lips done. 975 01:04:49,110 --> 01:04:50,610 I haven't had my chin done. 976 01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:52,430 That's a lie. 977 01:04:53,830 --> 01:04:58,790 In the final interview eight months later, Martin Bashir is still doggedly 978 01:04:58,790 --> 01:05:01,190 pursuing rumors of Michael's plastic surgery. 979 01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:10,910 An area of his life Bashir said he felt Michael had been less than honest about. 980 01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:21,740 Yeah, but even the shape of your face has changed. 981 01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:25,380 Do 982 01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:38,100 you 983 01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:41,960 think that people do go too far with plastic surgery, generally? 984 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,020 Do you think it's become... So why are you so defensive when people say Mick 985 01:05:47,020 --> 01:05:48,020 Jagger's had one? 986 01:05:48,270 --> 01:05:50,670 Paul McCartney may have had one. Oh, Michael Jackson's had one. 987 01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:53,630 They don't do it that way. What do they do? They just pick on me like I'm the 988 01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:54,629 only one that does it. 989 01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:55,630 That's why. 990 01:05:56,170 --> 01:06:01,090 So if people said, well, actually, Michael's the same as everyone else, 991 01:06:01,090 --> 01:06:03,170 wouldn't upset you so much. It would upset me so much. 992 01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:06,350 You know, if you want to have a facelift, you have a facelift. Yeah, if 993 01:06:06,350 --> 01:06:07,350 you happy. 994 01:06:07,610 --> 01:06:11,270 Regardless of your opinion about the extent of Michael's plastic surgery, one 995 01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:12,270 fact is clear. 996 01:06:12,670 --> 01:06:16,650 Martin Bashir's TV special made only passing reference to one of the most 997 01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:18,990 noticeable differences in Michael's appearance. 998 01:06:19,770 --> 01:06:24,190 Bashir quoted people as saying that when Michael Jackson was a boy, he was a 999 01:06:24,190 --> 01:06:25,009 black kid. 1000 01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:28,250 And now as an adult, he looks like a white man. 1001 01:06:28,510 --> 01:06:29,510 Which was a rumor. 1002 01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:34,330 They said I was putting on cream to make myself lighter. That's not true. I've 1003 01:06:34,330 --> 01:06:35,930 been a writer. You have a condition. 1004 01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:40,320 Vitiligo is a medical condition that Jackson claims has afflicted him for 1005 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,600 than 20 years. This disfiguring skin disease affects nearly 2 % of the 1006 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,960 population and strips all pigmentation from the skin. The result is not just 1007 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,660 pale, but porcelain white. 1008 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,460 The beginnings of the vitiligo started happening relatively early. 1009 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,020 He even was trying to hide it from me. 1010 01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:01,580 He tried to hide it for quite a while. 1011 01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:06,080 You know, he'd always try to cover with makeup and even out his skin tone and 1012 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:11,600 everything until it just got so extensive. I mean, it's all over his 1013 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:17,560 We were always trying to hide it and cover it for the longest time until he 1014 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:23,080 had to tell Oprah and tell the world, listen, I'm not trying to be white. I 1015 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,080 a skin disease. 1016 01:07:24,570 --> 01:07:29,090 The loss of pigment exposes vitiligo sufferers to great risk of skin cancer, 1017 01:07:29,350 --> 01:07:34,330 requiring constant shade from the sun and thick makeup or sunblock to lessen 1018 01:07:34,330 --> 01:07:38,910 exposure. You know, in the beginning, I tried to cover the light spots to the 1019 01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:43,970 darkest part of his skin, but then it became so extensive that we had to go 1020 01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:48,150 the lighter part of the skin because his whole body was reacting. He'd have to 1021 01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:52,830 be in complete, full body makeup every inch of his body. 1022 01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:59,520 So it was easier to make the transition to him being to the lighter shape that 1023 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:00,118 he is. 1024 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:05,420 But for Michael, one of the most painful side effects of vitiligo is the 1025 01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:10,060 reminder of the earlier skin trauma that humiliated him as a child. 1026 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:17,660 You talked about how when you went through adolescence, you had a terrible 1027 01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:20,859 And in fact, I had a look at some pictures. 1028 01:08:21,340 --> 01:08:22,840 of you during that period. 1029 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,779 And you did have a lot of spots. 1030 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:27,279 Yeah. 1031 01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:34,439 Yeah. And being shy as I am and was getting even worse, it was 1032 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,080 terrible. It was like a disease. 1033 01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:41,120 Perhaps the most startling omission regarding Michael's history of plastic 1034 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,840 surgery came during a discussion of the procedures that Michael admits to 1035 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:46,840 having. 1036 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,000 You're saying you've only ever had one. 1037 01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:50,649 Piece of surgery on your nose. 1038 01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:53,550 Two. You've had two? 1039 01:08:54,090 --> 01:08:57,310 This is where the TV show stops. 1040 01:08:57,710 --> 01:09:02,170 But had they included Michael's answer from just ten seconds earlier, they 1041 01:09:02,170 --> 01:09:06,210 have allowed him to remind us of a serious injury that severely affected 1042 01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:07,210 appearance. 1043 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:11,069 No, no, no. I was severely burned. Yeah. 1044 01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:15,130 But apart from having that surgery because of obviously the injury of the 1045 01:09:17,609 --> 01:09:19,649 January 27, 1984. 1046 01:09:20,189 --> 01:09:23,390 Michael was shooting a commercial that attempted to duplicate a concert 1047 01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:24,390 performance. 1048 01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:37,470 During the last take, a planned pyrotechnic explosion went wrong and 1049 01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:38,510 Michael's hair on fire. 1050 01:09:42,290 --> 01:09:44,210 He was so badly burned. 1051 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:49,080 On the top of his head caught fire right in front of my eyes. 1052 01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,859 And I couldn't do anything about it. I couldn't get to him on time. 1053 01:10:01,540 --> 01:10:08,540 But Nico, Marlon Brando, was able to push away the barricades and jump 1054 01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:11,040 on him and put out the fire with his bare hands. 1055 01:10:11,950 --> 01:10:15,810 He will have nursing and medical personnel on call 24 hours a day. 1056 01:10:16,270 --> 01:10:20,330 Due to his very excellent health and his very strong personal and religious 1057 01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:24,130 commitments, he will have as excellent a recovery as is possible. 1058 01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:28,490 Michael was rushed to the hospital, where he was treated for second and 1059 01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:29,490 degree burns. 1060 01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:33,710 He later underwent skin graft surgery in an attempt to repair the damage. 1061 01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:40,330 But as we noted, as severe as this incident was, it was completely ignored 1062 01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:42,120 Bashir. You've done nothing to your cheeks? 1063 01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:45,240 Uh, no, no, no. 1064 01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:46,460 These cheekbones? 1065 01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:47,540 Yeah. No. 1066 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,500 You haven't had any insert? No. 1067 01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:54,060 My father got... What about your dimple? 1068 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,100 Can we get on with this plastic surgery garbage? 1069 01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,060 This is tabloid stuff. Well... You'll be young. I know. You're a respected 1070 01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:04,040 journalist. Well, I know. The problem is... You're getting tabloid. When we 1071 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,440 return, we'll take another look at some of the answers that were never heard. 1072 01:11:08,740 --> 01:11:10,040 They call me weird overnight. 1073 01:11:11,150 --> 01:11:12,150 strange, wacko. 1074 01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:16,190 You know, they said I'm a girl, homosexual. 1075 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:20,850 He wants to buy the Elephant Man bone. 1076 01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:23,990 He's been in a hyperbaric chamber. None of that stuff is true. 1077 01:11:24,270 --> 01:11:26,250 And some of the differences in opinion. 1078 01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:27,630 So you're happy you did it now? 1079 01:11:27,870 --> 01:11:31,030 Yeah, because I've shared... Even though you've been attacked? Even though 1080 01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:33,710 people in America say you shouldn't look after your own children? 1081 01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:37,330 Yeah, but a lot of people said, leave him alone. 1082 01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:38,610 Shut the hell up. 1083 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,800 All caught on Michael Jackson's own camera. 1084 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:52,900 When we return to the Michael Jackson interview, the footage you were never 1085 01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:53,900 meant to see. 1086 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,760 qualities of respected journalism is objectivity. Now, as you may have heard 1087 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,120 several recent news stories, one of Michael Jackson's prime complaints about 1088 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,080 reporting featured in Martin Bashir's documentary and subsequent interviews 1089 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,920 the press was his lack of objectivity. 1090 01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:48,540 As we've already seen, some of Mr. Bashir's comments that made the air 1091 01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:52,240 be quite different than opinions he expressed in Jackson's behind -the 1092 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,240 footage. 1093 01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:57,380 About Michael's ranch, Mr. Bashir's on -air comment was, 1094 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,380 One of the most disturbing things is the fact that a lot of disadvantaged 1095 01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:06,300 children go to Neverland. It's a dangerous place for a vulnerable child 1096 01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:10,100 But what he said behind the scenes was this. 1097 01:13:10,860 --> 01:13:14,000 I was here yesterday and I saw it. 1098 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:19,120 And it's nothing short of a spiritually kind thing. 1099 01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:24,060 This comment about Michael's method of raising children was included on 1100 01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:25,060 special. 1101 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,480 They are restricted. 1102 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,020 They are overly protected. 1103 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:31,980 I was angry at the way his children were made to suffer. 1104 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,040 But this was not. 1105 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,000 Your relationship with your children is spectacular. 1106 01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:38,560 Hello. 1107 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,840 And in fact, it almost makes me weep when I see you with them. 1108 01:13:43,180 --> 01:13:47,940 Another of Jackson's complaints about the documentary is the non -inclusion of 1109 01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:51,380 certain statements that he feels are pertinent to objective reporting. 1110 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:56,120 Like when Bashir devoted almost... Eight minutes to the abuse by Michael's 1111 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,000 father? You remember when you said to me that you just wanted to run away from 1112 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,000 your father? 1113 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,019 I hid. 1114 01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:02,020 I used to hide. 1115 01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:05,520 But did not include this short and revealing comment. 1116 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,800 He hurt me when he was little, but he's a genius. The man is a genius. 1117 01:14:11,060 --> 01:14:16,260 On Michael's taking his children to the zoo, Bashir says, it was no kind of trip 1118 01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:20,080 for two young children, and everyone could see it but Jackson himself. 1119 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,260 But what you don't hear, is Michael's response. 1120 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:32,800 And as far as 1121 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,880 probing for the truth about Michael's changing appearance, the subject of 1122 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,880 vitiligo was virtually ignored. 1123 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:45,220 And the severe burns and reconstructive surgery were never mentioned at all. 1124 01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:55,480 Regardless of whether you feel that Michael Jackson is correct in his 1125 01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:59,200 that Martin Bashir's documentary was not a true representation of the interviews 1126 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,480 that actually took place, there is one question that many people share. 1127 01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:08,820 How could Michael Jackson, a 44 -year -old man who has spent most of his life 1128 01:15:08,820 --> 01:15:12,620 the spotlight, have allowed himself to open up to a virtual stranger? 1129 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,520 This footage from Michael's camera may give you a better understanding. 1130 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,340 It was really, really special. 1131 01:15:23,140 --> 01:15:29,640 It seems to me that through history, people, they really want to make someone 1132 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,460 big, and they want to be, oh, this person is so talented, and we've got to 1133 01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:34,900 them godlike, and they have to be perfect. 1134 01:15:35,580 --> 01:15:40,640 And then as soon as they're there, they get more joy in tearing someone down. 1135 01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:46,570 Eventually, when you talk and you say it like it really is, you just light up. 1136 01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:48,350 That's what I meant. 1137 01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:50,910 It's about bringing out what you're about. 1138 01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:58,850 That whole special, it was just an attempt to tear him 1139 01:15:58,850 --> 01:16:03,590 apart. And he trusted. He trusted Martin Boucher. 1140 01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:08,970 They took this thing back to the studio, and they took a lot of things out. 1141 01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:13,860 And the way this thing was narrated, it was just not fair. 1142 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:17,680 And 1143 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:27,820 then 1144 01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:34,460 slowly he started bringing his own opinion into the picture. 1145 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,880 As a reporter, as a news, I like to see the truth. 1146 01:16:39,370 --> 01:16:42,190 then I'll decide what my take would be on it. 1147 01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:45,850 After being on his turtle, I'm being... Oh, my God, yeah. 1148 01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:48,830 No, no, it's not just you, though. You can see that. 1149 01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:51,970 Rashears will come and go, you know? 1150 01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:55,250 Michael will live forever. In everybody's heart. 1151 01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:58,270 If indeed... 1152 01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:12,220 This video, whatever it was that was shot, is supposed to be about Michael. 1153 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:18,620 Then it will show him as a caring, loving, understanding 1154 01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:23,520 father, person, human being. 1155 01:17:25,060 --> 01:17:26,300 Because that's what he is. 1156 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,720 No matter what you may feel about what you've seen on this program, it's hard 1157 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:36,440 deny. that Michael Jackson is a complex and controversial subject who elicits a 1158 01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:40,820 passionate response from virtually everyone who comes in contact with him, 1159 01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:42,940 whether through his music or his private life. 1160 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:48,260 In the past two hours, our only goal has been to present an objective view of 1161 01:17:48,260 --> 01:17:52,740 events, showing them as they actually occurred and allowing you to draw your 1162 01:17:52,740 --> 01:17:57,140 conclusion. But we do feel it's appropriate to leave you with one more 1163 01:17:57,140 --> 01:17:58,140 information. 1164 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:03,400 Mr. Bashir is quoted as saying, Michael Jackson is a marvelous father to his own 1165 01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:08,320 children, and I never saw anything that would qualify as a criminal activity. 1166 01:18:08,860 --> 01:18:12,020 This comes from an interview dated just a few days ago. 1167 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,540 Thanks for joining us, everyone. I'm Maury Povich. 1168 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:16,800 Good night. 1169 01:18:22,580 --> 01:18:25,480 Do you sometimes despair of human nature? 1170 01:18:28,820 --> 01:18:29,820 Yeah. 1171 01:18:31,950 --> 01:18:33,110 Yes, of course. 1172 01:18:33,370 --> 01:18:36,270 Can you ever do anything that's right? 1173 01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:38,310 No. 1174 01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:39,630 No. 1175 01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:41,150 No, no, no. 1176 01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:45,610 No matter what you do, there's always somebody that will say something about 1177 01:18:45,610 --> 01:18:47,510 They have the opinion, you know? 1178 01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:49,230 No matter what you do. 1179 01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:57,550 No matter how good your intentions are, there's always some jerk, some 1180 01:18:57,550 --> 01:19:00,690 mean -spirited person to try to bring you down. 1181 01:19:02,019 --> 01:19:06,500 All you want to do is bring some love and some joy, you know. 1182 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:08,960 That's all. 1183 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,100 Granada, who made the Living with Michael Jackson programme originally 1184 01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:19,580 on ITV, maintains that it was a fair and balanced portrait of Michael Jackson 1185 01:19:19,580 --> 01:19:20,840 and stands by it.